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Subject: "Apollo in His Chariot with the Hours" (Boston Fine Arts Mural) -- Image of
From: Gregory Fulghum
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000
What a great web site and what lovely work you have done in exploring the life and art of John Singer Sargent. To have found your site at my fingertips was an unexpected surprise....scholarly, artful, impressive.
Perhaps you can help me with locating an image by Sargent. I have tried everywhere I can think of and when I saw your website I thought maybe you could help me. I am trying to find a colour image of Sargent's Museum of Fine Arts Boston Mural of "Apollo in His Chariot with the Hours." 1921-25. I've found a black and white image which was a charcoal sketch for this work in Ratcliff's book "Sargent" (plate 221) ISBN 0-89660-014-9 copyright 1982.
I've also seen poor quality photos that feature the more decorative architectural element of the mural than the artistry of the painting. I've even found details and close-ups of some of the images but never have I found the image in it's entirety and in colour. Can you help me find a photo, or high-resolution digital image, poster, quality something with this image?
I sincerely appreciate your assistance in this endeavor and I will surely follow your advice. I sent the MFA Boston an email hoping to hear back from somebody since, as you say and also agree, go to the source and see what they have, but I have received no response.
I have only seen black and white
images of this work....and I presume they are only credited as charcoal
studies and not the finished polychrome painting. Why an image of
this work specifically? Well, I have been a long time fan of Sargent....
especially the work he did with Mme Pierre Gautreau. I keep finding
sketches of her famous profile each year. This was how I discovered
Sargent. Ratcliff's book was a wealth of images and the
The Apollo theme is one of my favorite...and
Sargent executed this one to perfection. There sits Apollo...chasing
away darkness, pulling his mighty chariot and light (sunrise) behind him.
Can you say....breathtaking? But
When you look at the other images
of the murals... the concept is "classic mythology" all over again, but
Sargent is cunning in his representation and the details. It has
an originality that only Sargent can produce. However, the Apollo
mural is so similar to the Apollo fountain at Versailles, that I wonder
if he took a direct reference from Versailles and "re-invented" it just
here and there. Just a guess on my part, nothing concrete or
I wanted the colour image to carefully examine the work as I have only seen the images of the drawings (B and W). Sargent's use of colour is sometimes surprising and I was just curious to look closer into this concept.
Thanks for all your assistance Nat.
Also, I found the query/bulletin board section of your webpage and felt
might stupid as this happed after I sent you my email. I really enjoyed
reading this page... and I was astonished at the number of people who believe
they might have an original work by Sargent and have begun doing the early
research. I believe his body of work is much larger than what we
know even today. I have heard people say negative things about Sargent
in the past... painter of wealthy women and children,
On a recent trip to Taos, NM I discovered
an art gallery that represents a new "Sargent" of the new millennium.
This young Asian artist echoes Sargent with a haunting likeness for his
work...quality...museum quality work. You
Thanks again for the tip.... let me know if I can ever offer my assistance!
As you can see, I don't have very good images of the Boston Fine Art murals and to be honest, the best book (that I have seen) is Ratcliff's book, but as you know, all those pictures of the murals are in black and white. Just today I was out doing some Christmas shopping and I ran across the Metropolitan book which has an image of it (maybe itís a study of it) but again itís in black and white. My best suggestion would be to contact the museum directly, Certainly they would know who has the best images of their own museum in print??!! You think?
Would love to hear back from you
on what you found out. Might I ask why, particularly THIS
what a beautiful letter, thank you thank you, and if I ever get any decent images of Sargent's Apollo I will paste your comments with it.
You should never offer to help. I
have a very bad habit of taking people up on that
I bought a book on the Sargent murals
in the BMFA at the museum shop when I was at the Boston retrospective.
It is written by Carol Troyen and also has a chapter on the restoration.
I think this book was published accompanying the opening of the newly
Wonsug, you are a jewel!
Subject: Mosenthal portrait
From: Bee Mortimer
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Where can I find a portrait by Sargent of mrs. Mosenthal which I saw ages ago on the p.c. She was a distant relation of my husband''s.
1906 -- Mrs. George Mosenthal, signed and dated. 35 ½ x 28 ½ , Mrs. George Mosenthal owner (per Charles Merrill Mountís Catalogue of Oils. ). I have also seen the name as Rosenthal.
National Association of Portrait Painters exhibition 1915-1916
From: Patrick Van de Velde
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I find the following information which you may already have :
Sargent and Gandara, among others such as Montgomery Roosevelt and John Alexander, had their works exhibited at the 5th annual circuit exhibition of the National Association of Portrait Painters Inc. 1915-1916. And if anyone has the catalogue of the exhibition and would accept to send me a copy thereof (or sell me the original at a price I can afford !), I'd be delighted and grateful.
Hope you are well.
New York. The catalogue mentions
: NEW YORK: THE NEW YORK WATERCOLOR CLUB &
Good to hear from you Patrick. No I didn't know about this, where is the National Association of Portrait Painters located? What city?
And it goes without saying I'd be
interested in knowing which portraits Sargent exhibited as well
Name that painting -- Victorian woman, wall, concert, gazebo
From: Charles Bertrand
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I know this is like asking you to find a needle in a haystack, but here goes anyway. Many years ago I saw in a magazine a picture, that if memory serves me correctly was a work of Sargent's .I am sorry that I do not remember the magazine or the name of the painting, but please allow me to describe it to the best of my ability. It was of a Victorian woman seemingly attired in her Sunday best entering between a brick or stone wall to attend a band concert or such. If I am not mistaken there is a gazebo in the field, and maybe the presence of others awaiting the concert in the field as well. I can't think of much more to tell you, and I do apologize. The woman has on a bonnet kind of hat,and is carrying a purse her skirt is full, and it seems that she has on a tailored vest.
. . . [Your site is] extensive
and wonderful. I came across by accident, glad I did. I really enjoyed
it and will return to it often. I have just spent an hour of so on the
site and enjoyed every minute.
I don't know about the painting, but good job at trying to describe it as best you can. I'll post it and in time someone might come up with a name for you
'Mount Olive, Jerusalem'
From: Deborah Bishop <
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I have visited the Fitzwilliam Museum
in Cambridge (UK) four or five times recently and have been quite taken
by a Sargent picture. The label attached says something akin to 'Mount
Olive, Jerusalem' and it's a beautiful
Does this sound familiar to you? The painting is definitely ascribed to John Singer Sargent so I'm at a loss as to why I can't locate it ANYWHERE on the web.
Thanking you in anticipation of your help.
Not sure I've seen a picture of this or not. I'll post your request
|From: "JOHN H. SMITH"
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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001
|John I looked in 4 different books
and to different catalogues and can't find any reference to the name in
any form. Possibly he did a "mug" portrait drawing, will post your q
4 paintings at Thyssen- Bornemisza
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001
I have already written to u about portrait of a woman in green, with red and sort hair, slim and elegant and in modernist style. i saw this picture in the thyssen museum of madrid, but some years ago. now there are other portraits of other women in the same place, but both of them are by John Singer Sargent. can you help me now with these more clues. I'll be very pleased.
sorry for my english and thanks.
Wow! Cristina! This is fantastic!
I did a search of "Thyssen" and I ran into all four of them!!!
Thank you so much for your letters. This is amazing because it clears up a lot of things such as the Mrs. Charles Russell controversy.
Anyway, thanks to you, I found what
your looking for:
Elizabeth Harrison painting
From: "Barb Sypult"
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002
I wondered if you have knowledge of Elizabeth Harrison...when it was painted and who she was. Is there a print available. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. Barbara Sypult
From: Gary L. Roy <
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002
I came upon your website quite by accident, and was astounded at how well presented it was.
A short query which you may, or may not, be able to answer. For the year 1910, do any of your records show Sargent doing a portrait of Earl Grey (pencil/crayon)??
If this information isn't in your files, are you able to recommend someone who may know? I have seen a lithograph of the drawing. The lithos appear to have been given out by Grey and his wife from Government House in Ottawa, Canada as presents (some present !)
Thanks for your help
Gary L. Roy
Editor's Note: Natasha couldn't find any reference to the name Earl Grey.
J. P. Morgan
From: William Lloyd"
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002
INCREDIBLE, wonderful site!
Thank you so much!
From: William Lloyd
I do distinctly recall that he did
that Morgan portrait (and the stuff about whether the glint of light off
the chair's left armrest was intended as a subtle "editorial" in that it
made it look as though the old boy were about
I also had a print (this time, in the form of one of those exhibition posters) of his wonderful portrait of Ms. Fiske-Warren and her daughter; lost it in a house fire in '96, have never been able to find IT! I'd also love to find a print of his portrait of Ms. Agnew, another absolute masterpiece! I do have a BIG exhibition-poster print of his Paul Helleu Sketching, With His Wife... As an old canoe freak, I can tell you that that's PROBABLY a Peterborough canoe, a long-since-defunct eastern Canadian manufacturer of some stunningly beautiful canoes....
Here's to those of us who recognize JSS as one of the supreme painters of the ages!!! :-)
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. I looked for J.P. Morgan and two of the three major biographies don't mention him, nor is it listed in the Smithsonian Catalogue of Works. It's unlikely that such a major name would have been overlooked by past biographers and Catalogues -- unlikely but not impossible.
Very interesting. You certainly made me wonder. I'm posting your letter under "Help me Find" in the forum and lets see what turns up in a year or two.
Actually, you can still get a poster
Lilly Lilly Rose.
I just found the Mrs J. P. Morgan portrait with the help of Matt Davies. He quotes a source that put it at the Pierpont Morgan Library. I just wrote the Library to ask if I could get a copy of the painting for the JSS Gallery. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
29 April 2003
No color images are available through
the Pierpont Libary for another year as they are moving departments
Reine Pitman (nee' Ormond)
From: John Pinder"
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002
Editor's note: Reine Pitman (nee' Ormond) was the niece of JSS and the daughter of Violet Ormond (nee' Sargent)
From the mid 1940's to the late 1960's, my wife, Mary, as a child onwards, lived at Manor House Odstock Salisbury, where her mother and father were housekeeper and gardener to Hugo and Reine Pitman (nee' Ormond). I understand that John Sargent painted a portrait of Reine in 1911 possibly with Hugo. Is there, anywhere, an illustration of this painting? We do have a one off print of Raine by Augustus John and a painting of Reine's daughter Jemima (Unfortunately not by Augustus John!!!). Any help would be greatly appreciated. My wife can be contacted at Mary@pinder.force9.co.uk. John G Pinder
I imagine the painting is still in the family (I'm assuming). If it's in private collection there probably is not any prints available and none in books that I know of. You might contact the family
Mrs Thomas Lincoln Manson, Jr. portrait
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002
Dear Ms Wallace:
What a wonderful site! Just happened on your Sargent Gallery and am thrilled to find it.
Mrs. Manson's portrait entered the
collection of the Honolulu Academy of Arts in 1969 having been purchased
from Knoedler and Co. of New York City. The painting went from Minneapolis
to the Hunting Hartford Museum then to Knoedler's. There is a story that
Sargent gave this portrait to Mrs. Manson as a thank you gift after a lengthy
stay in the Manson's Madison Ave. home. I would like to find any biographical
information that is available concerning May Groot Manson. I am especially
anxious to confirm her place and date of birth. Her death certificate lists
her birth place as New York City and the date as June 23, 1859. I cannot
confirm that information through NYC birth records. It is MY feeling that
she was older than 31 at the time Sargent painted her luminous portrait.
Do you know where I might get more information on May (sometimes Mary)
Groot Manson? Many thanks for a wonderful website and for any info
that might be available re. Mrs. Manson.
fax 808 263 4457
Subject: Painting of Christ
From: Marilyn Melton
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003
I just looked at all the pictures of John Singer Sargent you have available on your website. However, I didn't find a picture of the oil painting he did of Christ against a blue background. According to the book where I found a picture of this painting, J. S. Sargent wanted to create a new version of what he felt Christ looked like & the portrait was done entirely from his imagination. The original is almost life-size & is hanging in a church in New York, I think.
I was so impressed with the painting, I painted a copy for my church in 1983 and have started another one for my new church. I still have a copy of the picture, but it is in storage. Is there any reason this picture is not included on your website? I've attached a picture of the painting I did in 1983, but if you would like a picture of the original painting by John Sargeant, I can send it as soon as I find it in my storage.
From: Marilyn Melton
I discovered why you have never seen these pictures in the JSS collection. It was actually done by someone with a similar name; John Howard Sanden. The original hangs in the Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church in New York, and was donated to the church by the artist.
I apologize for the mix-up, but I'm sure you'll agree that both artists have similar styles, as well as similar names. They are both great artists. If I'm ever half as good as either, I would consider myself fortunate.
Thank you for your rendition of Christ based on Sargent's. I don't think I've seen Sargent's painting of this and would, of course, be very interested in seeing a scan of it when you find it in storage. Also, when your looking, see if you don't see if you have what museum it's at with the image.
The only reason I wouldn't have a painting up online is that I haven't found it online.
All the best
Good luck on your art and thanks for the follow-up
All the best
Illustrated Childens book?
From: Patricia Opincar
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003
When I was a child in the late 1940's, 1950's, I had a book about a children's garden party. I vividly remember the impressionistic illustrations, and have since identified the artist as possibly John Singer Sargeant. Unfortunately the book was destroyed in a fire. I would like to at least identify the title of the book, and possibly find a copy. Can you assist?
Old gentleman leaning over a young boy holding a candle
From: Colene Harris
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003
I very much enjoyed your website.
I have always admired JSS' work. I was surprised that one of my favorite
paintings was not on your website. I always thought JSS was the artist
of a painting I saw at the Lourve. I don't know the title but it
depicts an old gentleman leaning over a young boy holding
Thank you for your wonderful site.
"the Gypsy" watercolor
From: sus an bask firstname.lastname@example.org
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003
I have been trying to find
a print of the Singer Sargent watercolor titled \"the gypsy\" which that
was in Chicago exhibit May- June of 1999. Can you tell me anything more
this piece or where I might be able to purchase a print?
I'm coming up with a big fat zero. Have you tried to contact Chicago. What do they say?
From: Eri cah email@example.com
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002
I wonder if you can help the National Gardens Scheme track down a portrait of Elsie Wagg - number 936 'signed top and bottom. 39 ½ x 27 ½. ' Elsie Wagg was the woman who had the bright idea in 1927 of inviting people to open their gardens to the public in aid of charity, which led to the NGS, a charitable organization that these days raises considerable funds for such charities as Macmillan Nurses and Marie Curie Cancer Care. The NGS have got a faded photo of the portrait and no record of how they acquired it.
|Miss Elsie Wagg, 1893, signed top
and bottom. 39 ½ x 27 ½. CMM